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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"and i realize it's just my take on it and whatnot"

You're right about that. Based on your generalized statements on jam music, you can't possibly expect me to take you seriously. Especially since you only listened to the first 3 minutes, which is before the song even takes off. Would you ever listen to the first 3 minutes of a 16 minute Dead song and make a comment about it? Fuck no. So why do you feel you can comment on this at all right now? Your pre-conceived notions obviously inhibit your ability to enjoy it, but please tell me what makes SCI garbage? And please try making a rational argument. Saying it's the dunkin donuts of jam music will not suffice.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-11-03 03:00:58

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

you are certainly correct in that listening to only 3 minutes of a 16 minute song isn't good science when it comes to a precise analytical review, but i know without any doubt that what exists beyond those first 3 minutes wouldn't in any way change my view; i can generally suss out the style/sound of a band from a 3 minute sample, and decide whether the music will fit my likes or dislikes; as for my embarking on a similar approach with the GD's music, well, it's a different animal, right? apart from Brent/Vince songs, i've pretty much listened to every song the band ever did, from most years up to '91

not that it needs sayin' but i respect the hell out of your reviews and comments regarding music, i just loathe 'jam bands'...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

that's understandable. that's why we all have our musical preferences, and it's not easy to change those. i know what you're saying about sussing out the sound of a song, and based on your comments i don't think you would like the rest of the song. however, i think you might enjoy some of their other styles. also, if you continue listening, you will notice it changes musical styles several times throughout the song, sounding a bit shakedown-esque at times, with some very jazzy eyes-like moments as well. it jumps all over the place.

anyway, there's no point in trying to convince another about what we should like, but i think your initial reaction was a bit drastic, which is why i got a bit defensive. glad you enjoy the dead comments.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2011 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

Well, at least you didn't have to figure out what the lyrics mean.

;)

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Nov 3, 2011 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

ouch!

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

well i gave the whole song a listen and what a waste of time.
lots of fluff.no grit or emotion to the song.great if your into that kind of thing.imho that's not jamming.oh well at
least bands like electric moon are roaming the planet and
making great music that is raw and powerful and forging ahead
into new musical territory with just a three piece band.

live from July 2nd of 2011
Electric Moon - Lost And Found Souls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbOqipO3uM

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

i appreciate that you at least gave the whole thing a listen. but keep in mind, that is one song from their very vast and varied catalogue of music that covers bluegrass, rock, calypso, country, funk, jazz, latin, reggae, and psychedelia. rollover is not intended to have any grit or emotion. most of their music is very laid back, uplifting music, with not much gritty emotion. i seek emotion in other music, but sci is capable of making excellent music, and they are very talented musicians. i know it's not for everyone, but if you are familiar enough with their musical catalogue, you cannot deny their talent.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 2, 2011 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I have to agree with the majority about "Rollover". It is not the best example of the talent of SCI. For what I consider to be a much better representation you might try a little of the 7/27/07 show from the Greek(SCI was the "headliner")
http://www.archive.org/details/sci2007-07-22.sci2007-07-22.flac

and if you want to hear the real "meat and potatoes from that show...
Hot Butter Rum String Band(now known as simply Hot Butter Rum...they opened the show)...
http://www.archive.org/details/hbr2007-07-22.U873Rsc.flac16f

And then sandwiched between Rum & Cheese was Railroad Earth(they stole the show)...
http://www.archive.org/details/rre2007-07-22.AKG481-ACM-PMD671

Nershi led SCI was much better than Kang led.

And now Nershi is playing with one of the best bass players(with a couple of notable exceptions..Lesh being one) touring today, the incomparable Johnny Grubb(late of RRE).

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 3, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"Nershi led SCI was much better than Kang led."

Couldn't agree with this statement more. Kang pushed the band in a terrible direction imo - injecting trace and techo influences into their sound which I find repetitive and of little musical value other than to 'just dance.' (Just listen to Kang's side project EOTO - unlistenable - again this is imo.). By the end of their "retirement" in 2007 i was getting pretty disillusioned with them.

I think since they've come back it seems like they've backed off of this sound a bit and moved towards more of a compromise. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised in December when I see them in Chicago.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 4, 2011 7:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

EOTO is the side project for Cheese drummer and percussionist Michael Travis and Jason Hann. Free form electronica-percussion trance dance jam stuff.

Particularly icky for old guys like me. Barely acceptable after a dozen Sierra Nevadas.

Pangea with Chris Berry is Kang's side effort. Much better than EOTO IMO.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 7, 2011 12:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I stand corrected. I guess I don't know as much about these guys as GD, lol.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

Though I enjoy SCI, I really prefer Railroad Earth. RRE is a little less "jam-grass" and a bit more Americana, but that suits my tastes better. Everyone's taste in music is a bit different and there are many who are turned off by anything that even hints at bluegrass. Contrary to what is bandied about on most internet music boards, not liking what I like doesn't make you the spawn of Satan, a total idiot nor a waste of oxygen. Hey recommend away. I'll listen and if I like it I'll tell you. But if I don't like it, I'll tell you that too. And I may not go into a detailed explanation trying to convert you to my way of thinking.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

All sixteen minutes of it were awful,it sounds like music accompanying a cult induction,and the Eyes of the World was so bad as to make a 94' Dead version sound brilliant.They suck on many levels.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"it sounds like music accompanying a cult induction"

"the Eyes of the World was so bad as to make a 94' Dead version sound brilliant"


criticizing music in this way is so childish. please elaborate. these are not rational, sensible arguments, and they make you come off as unintelligent.

also, although i appreciate much of your input here and agree with many of your comments, i must say i lost a lot of respect in your musical opinion when you made this comment:
"I think John Kahn is a terrible musician"


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 3, 2011 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I'll express my opinion as I see fit,regardless of your overly sensitive guidelines. As for your respect level concerning my opinions,I'm not going to lose any sleep.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 3, 2011 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"egardless of your overly sensitive guidelines"
not overly sensitive. just rational. all i'm saying is if you're going to criticize music, you can't make any bit an argument for your case when you speak in terms such as you did.